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| Time: 16:41 EST/21:41 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Some top C++ people are cross. Microsoft (yes, yes, you do remember, that Microsoft) has dared to add some proprietary extensions to Visual C++ to make it work with the Windows .NET system. At a recent UK C++ conference, Bjarne Stroustrup himself publicly nailed, as it were, the 14 new keywords to the door of Microsoft's church. In an open debate, he and other luminaries aggressively questioned unlikely Softees Stan Lippman and Herb Sutter. These illustrious gentlemen put up a steadfast, if embarrassed, defence of their employer, but I can't help but wonder if everybody was missing the point. | ||
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| #1 By 2332 (12.105.69.158) at 9/26/2002 5:48:24 PM |
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I wonder if Bjarne complained when Borland added their extensions, or when Microsoft added 64 bit extensions.
Seems to me that there is nothing wrong with EXTENSIONS, as long as you can still write code without them. Kind of like there is nothing wrong with having extra features in a browser, as long as the standards are fully supported as well. After all, innovation has to be introduced SOMEWHERE! :-) |
| #2 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 9/26/2002 7:28:28 PM |
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Because, as we all know, C++ is already SOOO standardized and there are NO OTHER extensions that break compatibility.
We all know that you can take C++ code written for any compiler and compile it on any other compiler! Sure, right. What's 14 more keywords on top of dozens of others? |
| #3 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 9/26/2002 7:30:04 PM |
| #1: We've been taught by the Anti-MS crowd that innovation is evil. Unless, that is, it takes 10 years to add something to a standard. Then it's OK. |
| #4 By 6253 (12.237.219.240) at 9/27/2002 12:00:01 AM |
| Stroustrup is still alive?! He should thank MS for giving him an extra 15 minutes... |
| #5 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 9/27/2002 1:16:40 AM |
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Weird... my work with C over all those years included adding all sorts of extensions to the language.
Just include some header, link to a library and there you go. I never had to ask permission from Kernighan or Ritchie. :) |
| #6 By 5444 (208.180.245.190) at 9/27/2002 4:46:18 AM |
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Richard
here they are http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vcmex/html/vclrfMXKeywords.asp not sure how that will post. but that is all the keywords added so you can have managed C++ El |
| #7 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/27/2002 6:44:38 AM |
| I still don't see the big difference between these extensions and previous extensions. I also don't see the difference between these and Borland extensions. |
| #8 By 5444 (208.180.245.190) at 9/27/2002 12:25:28 PM |
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Richard,
I would argue that MS has never had a C++ that is just called C++ Even with VS 7 (or vs.net 1.0) C++ on the unmanaged side is only about 85% Ansi compatable. And it is Specifically called Managed C++ if you write it for the framework. But to be in all honesty. C++ will become the Low level language, it is the only langauge that still would have LOW level outside fo the managed layer that is available on the framework. IOW, It is the power language. Now for items that don't need the low level access and you want to move into the managed area. You can tag that Code to be moved So what you are saying is basically what is happening. MS chose to add some key words to mark it in code. But in effect, it is a way to mark legacy code and Isolate the various componets for the managed layer and to the Low Level unmanaged layer. But since the compiler is one compiler for the C++ language program, you can add the /clr compiler string and compile straight Ansi C++ in to the platform Unfortantly in C++ you must specifically mark areas of code as being Garbage collectable and other issues like that. They Idea would be the same, as Taking a C++ code file and targeting it to the Java VM. El |
| #9 By 5444 (208.180.245.190) at 9/27/2002 12:30:34 PM |
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And Richard,
Linux never had to worry about the 286, which is where those horrible near and far kludges originated from. The 286 set MS and the platform back a few years. as it didn't do a clean transistion from 16 bit to 32 bit. It is nice to finally be able to rid of that era. :) El |
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