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| Time: 08:11 EST/13:11 GMT | News Source: New York Times | Posted By: Todd Richardson | ||
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Thanks Robert. As the government's antitrust lawsuit winds down, Microsoft's next battle may be a knock-down, drag-out fight against Linux. Like Microsoft's Windows, Linux is a computer operating system, but written and updated by volunteer programmers in a communitarian spirit, and available for free. If Linux spreads, Microsoft could see the first real challenge to its dominance of the operating-system software market. For consumers, that would be good news. Microsoft's critics charge that its dominance of the market — more than 90 percent of home computers run on its software — results in high prices and reduced choice. And outside programmers have long complained that Microsoft makes it hard for them to create software compatible with Windows-based computers. | ||
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| #1 By 415 (68.54.10.120) at 9/19/2002 10:17:57 AM |
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"And outside programmers have long complained that Microsoft makes it hard for them to create software compatible with Windows-based computers."
Yeah, Microsoft has made it SO difficult to write "compatible" software! All those pesky SDKs and APIs!?! Gimme a break... |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/19/2002 12:03:51 PM |
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davis bacon - "MS has been known to embrace and extend open established standards"
anti-MS critics are also known to lie and embellish. I'm curious, who do you think we should trust? |
| #3 By 7650 (128.113.149.97) at 9/19/2002 1:19:30 PM |
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"If Linux spreads"
And how long have they been saying that now? And if I may, I'll emphasize that "if" :) |
| #4 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 9/19/2002 1:20:49 PM |
| Davis, I find it funny that just because people make a claim that Microsoft is witholding information about API's the somehow "speedup" the applications, or integrate them better, they think it's true.... it's really quite pathetic, especially since there is no proof for it. |
| #5 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 9/19/2002 1:52:10 PM |
| Sclomp, the funny thing is that RedHat (the BIG boy) only brings in like $80M per year. $80M? That is WEAK. But look at the disproportionate amount of media coverage that they get. You would think they were making $27Billion/year like Microsoft. |
| #6 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 9/19/2002 2:07:59 PM |
| Boy, both bring in 10% of their market value in revenue... ain't that crazy! What's the point? There is no other gorilla quite like MS, yes. |
| #7 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/19/2002 3:15:23 PM |
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davis - But still I'm curious. If you are not going to seek out the truth, but instead lie about every little thing... why should you be part of the discourse that determines our future?
Just seems kind of odd, especially since it's not that hard to seek out the truth, understand how things work and so forth. |
| #8 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 9/19/2002 3:58:04 PM |
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Davis:
Yes, there are undocumented API's and protocols, Microsoft has said specifically that there are, heck, they even recently documented a lot of them... but there is absolutely NO proof that Microsoft is holding some API's that speed up their apps, or give them a competitive edge with other products... in fact, I think it's quite absurd that anyone would believe such a rumor. |
| #9 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 9/19/2002 4:10:49 PM |
| Hey Bacon - I love the "established standards" comment when you refered to java. That is as correct as the rest of you statements. I did not know Sun was a standard board. |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/19/2002 4:24:13 PM |
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Davis, you never have been and never will be forced (as a consumer) to use a Microsoft product. If your company says use it or find a new job, that is still not Microsoft. You have choice, you always have and more than likely you always will. Quit your whining and use something else if you don't like what you are using now.
API's. Microsoft has just released hundreds of API's. So far nobody has jumped up an said "Aha! This one makes Word work 80% faster than WordPerfect." I have every doubt that such an API will not be found. As far as the general workings of a product go, there isn't a great deal that unreleased API's could do for you. Don't believe me? Take a look at Mozilla. How many people say it actually renders faster than IE? If it does, they managed to do this by writing good code. If they can do it now, they could have done it years ago when they were bitching about undisclosed API's. |
| #11 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 9/19/2002 6:54:35 PM |
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Just for the record, MS didn't violate the Kerberos standard. MIT included a way to extend the protocol for OS-specific features so long as their don't prevent authentication. MS's standard-compliant extensions do not prevent non-Windows clients or servers from authenticating wich Windows servers or clients.
Whenever I hear someone say that MS broke the kerberos standard, I instantly know they're a troll or completely misinformed and just get their half-assed information from a site like Slashdot or some other anti-MS brainwashing site. They never get the whole story, so, like automotons, they just spit out the same incorrect BS. |
| #12 By 5444 (208.180.245.190) at 9/19/2002 10:19:44 PM |
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Davis
Well they call it propietery, but Kerberos did and does have a extensiblity feature. MS used that feature, so either Kerberos had a flaw in its design in its intial implementation. by allowing people who use it to extend it. or there were other issues at hand. el |
| #13 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/19/2002 10:33:14 PM |
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You want to back up that claim, davis? Show me the license for Java from Sun to Microsoft and exactly which provisions of the agreement did Microsoft violate. I don't want someone's opinion or someone's claim that "My java app wouldn't run on the Microsoft VM". I want to see the license agreements.
I happen to know that it was quite possible to write 100% pure Java apps using Microsoft's Visual J++. I did it for years. These apps ran under Microsoft's and Sun's VM. I want proof of your statements. Further, I'd like to know if you know what Microsoft did that Sun consider's bad. Just saying "the broke Java" doesn't mean much. Do you understand the JNI vs. J/Direct debate? If you don't then, no offense, you aren't really qualified to say much on the subject of Microsoft's JVM implementation. |
| #14 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 9/19/2002 10:58:32 PM |
| In large part the basic problem is that the security mechanisms of Unix are disjointed and poorly defined. The way MS used kerberos is far more elegant from a technical standpoint. |
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