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  New 'entertainment' PCs restrict copying
Time: 04:20 EST/09:20 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Alex Harris

Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard on Tuesday released additional details about digital entertainment PCs coming for the holidays. But new anti-copying technology could hamper sales, say analysts and potential buyers. The new consumer computers run Windows XP Media Center Edition, a variation of Microsoft's flagship operating system. Besides normal PC functions, Windows Media Center PCs offer a second user interface through which people can access the operating systems' digital media features via a remote control. HP, as well as Samsung, will start offering the new systems sometime before the holiday-shopping season, with HP's models selling in the high $1,500 range to around $2,000.

Microsoft sees Windows Media Center PCs as ideal for college students or young urbanites living in cramped spaces where a combination computing and entertainment system might be more appealing than separate devices. Besides digital photo, music and movie features already available with Windows XP, the new PCs also would serve as TV tuners and digital video recorders (DVRs) for copying TV shows to the computer's hard drive. But Microsoft has included copy-protection with the operating system that uses encryption to lock recorded TV shows to the PC. Already, consumers can legally record television programs to VHS tapes for personal use and view them on another VCR in the household. Microsoft has taken a more conservative approach by thwarting the sharing of programs recorded digitally. That strategy might make sense as Microsoft attempts to attract Hollywood movie studios with its digital rights management and anti-copying technologies. But consumers may not react favorably to the copy protection, say analysts.

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#1 By 1896 (216.78.253.30) at 9/4/2002 8:25:26 AM
Very useful; I can record a movie but I can't copy it on a disk to store it and play it in my bedroom! I already have around 300 movies in VHS cassettes, if I had to keep all of them on the HD what kind of system I needed just to store them , besides backup copies etc.? I will pass on this.

#2 By 2960 (156.80.64.132) at 9/4/2002 8:52:57 AM
This will be an utter failure, but not at first. Not until consumers get wind of what's going on.

I suspect the return rate may be high, unless they enact no-return policies.

They sure won't be advertising these 'features', so it will take a while before word gets around. Once it does, it's all over for this platform.

TL

#3 By 1124 (165.170.128.68) at 9/4/2002 9:13:41 AM
I was looking forward to buying one of these things, but now I am thinking about building my own. :( :(

#4 By 415 (68.54.10.120) at 9/4/2002 9:49:57 AM
Why does everyone react so negatively to not being allowed to break copyright laws? You don't have the right to copy TV shows or movies into digital format and distribute them. Get over it! I'm not saying you should be a goodie-two-shoes, but jeez, don't criticise a product because it makes you obey the law...

#5 By 1896 (216.78.253.30) at 9/4/2002 10:13:51 AM
#4 You should re-read what I posted before making such serious allegations. Where did you see the word "distribute"? Even with software programs you are are allowed to make a backup copy for safety reason. Again why should I buy bigger and bigger HDs to store my movies? What if my HD fails? Wy do you think people spend big money to buy and or implement backup systems? I don't know how old you are but I am old enough to remember these same issues debated when the first VCR sets came out. The Movie industries representatives were crying about going in bankrupcy in few months because of the new evil equipments; guess what? nowadays the sales of the videos is one oof the main source of revenues for them. Great managers indeed! I wonder if they studied all together with Enron and Worldcom ones.

#6 By 1124 (165.170.128.68) at 9/4/2002 10:32:31 AM
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I don't want to "break copyright laws". I just hate to see my rights ristricted. At this moment I own 2 VCRs, 1 in the family room and 1 in the bedroom. If I tape a show on 1 vcr, I am allowed to watch it on another. But now if I record something on this machine I am not allowed to watch on another PC in my house, or back it up and watch it later.

People are not stupid. Take a look at ebooks. I own a pocket pc and 3 PC at home. I would like to read ebooks on all these machines. Since I was not allowed, I don't buy ebooks.

I am hoping that this is not as bad as it seems( Meaning the copyright protection stuff on Freestyle).

This post was edited by GhostRider on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 11:26.

#7 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 9/4/2002 11:17:17 AM
Is this restriction any greater than those imposed by Tivo?

#8 By 1124 (165.170.128.68) at 9/4/2002 11:24:53 AM
On the other hand, ReplayTV allows the transfer of data from 1 machine to another.

#9 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/4/2002 1:34:41 PM
My primary issue with DRM is that if I ever get a new computer, or rebuild the computer from a scratch install... I lose access to all of the digitial media files I downloaded/created/whatever.

I don't much care for that. I'm not interested in breaking copyright laws, but I am interested in recording stuff I buy for my own use.

So I refuse to use anything which implements DRM in that capacity.

I'm rewiring the antenna in my house to run over the existing cable this week. When I get that done I'll be able to use the WinTV card in my computer again. I have the latest beta of Snapstream Quartz and it sounds like I'll have the same solution that Microsoft is talking about here, but less restricted, cheaper and therefore a lot more useful to me.

#10 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/4/2002 2:43:55 PM
soda, at least with the DRM implemented in Windows Media Player, I understand that you can backup your licenses and transfer them to other machines. This being the case, you wouldn't lose access to DRM'ed content because you upgraded or purchased a new machine.

Fritzly (#5) It is the job of the execs of a company to assess risk to the company. One of the risks that affect motion picture production companies is digital media. Whether they have been wrong in the past or not, doesn't not lessen their responsiblitiy as directories of their companies.

Further, it is a low, undeserved, and extrememly in accurate blow to compare record or movie companies with the likes of WorldCom or Enron. In the case of the former, they want people to obey the law and we have no reason to believe that the companies themselves are not obeying the law. In the case of the latter, the companies' execs acted with disregard for the law and for the well being of the companies who employed them.

#11 By 1124 (165.170.128.65) at 9/4/2002 3:28:49 PM
sodablue - ever heard of or tried Showshifter?

www.showshifter.com

#12 By 1896 (216.78.253.30) at 9/4/2002 5:32:08 PM
#11 Again where did I state that record or movie companies execs are not obeying the law? My point is that what all these execs have in common is they are just unable to do their jobs. I will give you a simple example: do you have an idea how much money record industries could make allowing people to download for a reasonable fee and save on a CD single songs? I for sure would buy several hundreds ones in order to make compilations to listen to in my car or in my stereo set etc while, at the same time, I don't care to buy a CD in order to get one song I like.
Of course companies can lobby for whatever they want but remember that at the end the customers rule; if the choice is to give up my CDs or my rights the choice is easy, isn't it?

This post was edited by Fritzly on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 19:11.

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