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| #1 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 9/3/2002 8:27:40 PM |
| Lol nah, everyone will find out soonish |
| #2 By 116 (66.69.198.173) at 9/3/2002 8:42:09 PM |
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I agree. Soda is the biggest talker ever. Its unfortunate his pal Sodajerk took off.
Word on the street is he was hired by Microsoft as their janitor and spends his nights eating crow! |
| #3 By 665 (64.126.91.172) at 9/3/2002 10:47:53 PM |
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sodablue
JaggedFlame RedAvenger meandrake RMD TechLarry BobSmith n4cer Uh oh, you guys are in trouble!! Just kidding:) #5, is this what you are looking for? http://www.activewin.com/search/ |
| #4 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 9/3/2002 11:21:47 PM |
| That search page helps, but if we simply had a "Page 2" link at the bottom of the AW homepage, where you could go a bit more back in time. Also, I would love to be able to bookmark (within AW) some of the conversations on specific news items. |
| #5 By 2332 (165.247.4.23) at 9/3/2002 11:36:05 PM |
| They must have caught me tryin' to upload pr0n again. Ascii pr0n of course. :-) |
| #6 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 9/4/2002 1:42:35 AM |
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Just so everybody knows... I have been trying to hold myself back and not post to let everybody else catch up on the counter! :)
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| #7 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 9/4/2002 1:46:23 AM |
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But you just posted now.
Dangit, I'll never catch up!! :-) |
| #8 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 9/4/2002 2:36:18 AM |
| #4 - Thanks, I designed it ;o) |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/4/2002 8:37:47 AM |
| I haven't seen you posting much recently, Red. |
| #10 By 2960 (156.80.64.132) at 9/4/2002 9:04:21 AM |
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#6,
Nah, they want us to be the Judges for the next season of American Idol :) The current Judges are too whimpy :) TL |
| #11 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/4/2002 11:01:52 AM |
| It's about time we voted JaggedFlame off the island! |
| #12 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 9/4/2002 1:23:53 PM |
| #4 - Stu we'd love to pay people to work on the site but no one who works here gets any money. |
| #13 By 116 (66.69.198.173) at 9/4/2002 3:30:21 PM |
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Yeah I have been busy at work Bob. Big things big things shaking in the RedAvenger world.
lol at the bum kissing contest. I also got invited to the survey for Office 11 Beta. I hope I make it! |
| #14 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/4/2002 3:40:07 PM |
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I'll admit nothing of the kind. I will say, however, that I'd rather kiss Bill's ass than I would Larry Ellison's, Scott McNealy's, or Steve Jobs'. Most of the anti-Microsoft rhetoric I hear can be summed up in the marketing BS of the aforementioned CEO's.
The interesting thing, I think, is that for all the wisdom and genious of Oracle, Sun, and Apple they cumulatively have the market capitalization of just over 26% of Microsoft's. Oracle 51.89 Billion Sun 11.78 Billion Apple 5.2 Billion 68.87 Billion Microsoft 260.8 Billion It may be my opinion only, but that is pretty pathetic. Rather than attack Bill, perhaps they should study up on business wisdom and employ it in their own companies. |
| #15 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/4/2002 3:43:42 PM |
| OK, I had those numbers very happily formatted, who went and trimmed out all my whitespace! GRR! Have I been using this site for almost a year a never noticed whitespace is stripped from posts? |
| #16 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 9/4/2002 4:03:09 PM |
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Size and money, that's all that counts!!
I find it pretty pathetic that MS has half the marketshare of the DB market of a company a 1/5 its size.... is still a second class citizen in the Enterprise server market compared to a company 1/25 its size... and cannot kill off the company it's always been compared to for it's OS even though every business person and analysts has said they were near death every year for the last twenty years, can't come close to stripping away its prestige and marketshare in creative fields even though their machines and software are "too expensive" and only occupy 4% of the market, and they are only 1/50th the size of Microsoft!! Whatever happened to appreciating the best solution for the need and appreciating that the solution can be accomplished by dedicated experts rather than throwing ten times as much cash and developers (or even a whole lot more) at the task because you do not particularly have the expertise or focus? This post was edited by sodajerk on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 17:39. |
| #17 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/4/2002 5:34:47 PM |
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Yeah! I enticed sodajerk to come out of hiding and spout his blatherings again.
Oracle has been in the database business far longer than Microsoft has. Microsoft has been making steady growth on Oracle's terf. Similar to Oracle, Sun has been in the enterprise server market far longer than Microsoft has. Microsoft is growing in that regard too. Sun, however, isn't even currently turning a profit. Microsoft has all but killed Apple in terms of its operating system. What percentage of the market does Apple have? Less than 5%? Aren't you the one that keeps returning to the fact that in a court of law Microsoft was judged to have a monopoly in desktop operating systems. Microsoft has invested in Apple to keep it alive (just as it did with Corel). It isn't good to kill your competitors, otherwise you are called a monopoly. Microsoft has shown that it can make money, and make more money than its competitors. When it goes into new markets, it is usually successful. Whether you agree with the business practices or not, you can't deny that it has made many many billions of dollars more than its competitors. |
| #18 By 3 (62.253.128.4) at 9/4/2002 5:42:38 PM |
| #19 - ;o) |
| #19 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 9/4/2002 5:53:02 PM |
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I haven't been hiding, but it's good to see you smacking away at that great big ole MS ASS. You're trying to make excuses whereas my only point was: since when do you have to be the biggest company ever to exist to matter? As you point out, Oracle, Sun, and Apple have been in their respective businesses longer than MS. They are still multi-billion dollar companies. They are all highly regarded in their field. What's pathetic about that? That they lead in areas that MS doesn't without spending 5x as much like MS to accomplish their goals?
Your take on Apple continues to be ridiculous, but still: can we all accept the point that everyone will continue to compare Windows UI with Apple's? Yes. So--in your mind, don't you think it's pathetic that a company 5000% times larger ($) than it's competitor with 1900% greater marketshare gets compared to a "dead" company? How 'bout the fact that MS uses the 50x cash , but only maintains a 19x lead? "Whether you agree with the business practices or not, you can't deny that it has made many many billions of dollars more than its competitors." That was my point--it's pathetic to only care about profit. Can you provide another single example of a product, service, or company, where you would say: "I like this product better because the company makes more money than anyone else who makes similar products"? Would you say, "John Travolta is the best actor in the world because he grosses the most per movie, for example? (See how pathetic that is, whether or not it's true). Personally, I advocate companies/products that deliver the highest quality solution for my purposes. This post was edited by sodajerk on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 17:56. |
| #20 By 116 (66.69.198.173) at 9/4/2002 5:56:25 PM |
| On that I can agree sodajerk. Thats why I support and use Microsoft products. They are the highest quality solution bar none. |
| #21 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 9/4/2002 5:59:19 PM |
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Red, you agree that MS is pathetic because it needs to be orders of magnitude larger and wealthier than its competitors to produce similar products?
Wow, see, Bob, I'm not the only one. |
| #22 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 9/4/2002 6:33:55 PM |
| Red, what jerk doesn't seem to understand is that he's pulling numbers out of his bum. He doesn't, in fact, know how much money Microsoft spends on anything. He doesn't understand that Microsoft at least twice has invested in competitors to keep them alive. He doesn't understand the mediocrity or "just getting by" is still getting by, but that superiority is just that superior. If the CEO's I mentioned would learn from Bill rather than attack him, perhaps their companies would have much more solid positions in the market than they currently do. I figured I'd address my thoughts to you, since I never have liked talking to the irrational "i pull comments out of context and refuse to answer direct questions" sodajerk. ;-) |
| #23 By 116 (66.69.198.173) at 9/4/2002 6:34:23 PM |
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No, I agree that the prime determinig factor for purchasing or using software should be the highest quality solution available. And that is MS.
As for them being pathetic because they are magnitudes larger and wealthier I would disagree. If anything that is impressive, not pathetic. |
| #24 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 9/4/2002 6:59:34 PM |
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Red, it was a joke. I got your point. Your second point though... it goes back to this ridiculous love of Microsoft simply for their size and wealth. Why? I simply don't get it.
Bob, are you really suggesting that Oracle makes a mediocre database? That Sun's server hardware and OS are mediocre? That Apple's OS, hardware, and apps are mediocre? Or is is just mediocre to be more focused than MS? As far as I can tell, people can have complaints about all three of those companies, but the experts who specialize in what these co's specialize in, generally agree that they are the leaders in their industry... See, I'm not trying to make any sort of value judgement about any of these companies... But suggesting that they are mediocre at what they do because their market cap is a fraction of MS's is the stupidest thing I've heard in... well, a few minutes, but I hear alot of dumb shit. Is Adobe mediocre because they're only a 5 billion dollar company? Soild positions? Oracle has >30% of the DB market, IBM 30% (only after acquiring Informix), and MS has 16%; Sun: I don't have numbers on, but I know they are right there in the mix with IBM, HP, etc... and Apple is very secure in design, music, and education. The fact is: these companies are leaner and better at certain things than MS, they are less bloated and less dependent on dominating their market to survive. What's baloney is the idea that everyone else is sitting on their ass, suing MS, and that MS is the only company that does anything. This post was edited by sodajerk on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 19:01. |
| #25 By 860 (68.62.195.111) at 9/4/2002 7:04:51 PM |
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DD (http://www.designerdream.co.uk) looks awesome and this site could benefit from some of their design work :)
--Vermyndax |
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