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  Symantec picks away at Vista's core
Time: 19:03 EST/00:03 GMT | News Source: News.com | Posted By: Andre Da Costa

In a third and final report on Windows Vista, Symantec examined the security of the operating system core and found some vulnerabilities. Vista includes several barriers designed to prevent malicious code from gaining access to the operating system core or kernel. These enhancements are "quite substantial" and result in a "dramatic reduction" of the overall attack surface of the operating system, Symantec said in a report published on Tuesday.

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#1 By 17996 (131.107.0.105) at 8/9/2006 7:11:24 PM
Considering that Symantec's findings are based on build 5365 (older than Beta2!), I would hesitate to believe that the supposed vulnerabilities will still be present when Vista RTM's.

#2 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 8/9/2006 7:44:45 PM
"dramatic reduction" of the overall attack surface of the operating system...

That would have made a better headline ... but it wouldn't cater to to the anti-Microsft FUDsters.

This post was edited by NotParker on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 at 19:45.

#3 By 10022 (69.204.110.203) at 8/9/2006 9:39:23 PM
its funny that the one that has the most to loose is making the most "noise"

symantec sucks and always will.

I wish Microsoft would come out and defend its self better against this (and those annoying Apple adds "Hi I'm a Mac)

Injustice and untruth just piss me off so much

#4 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 8/9/2006 10:12:57 PM
The level and type of partner that Symantec is prvides them shared source access to Vista and other Micorsoft operating systems - they have known for a very long time that Vista's stack was going to be entirely re-done and not based upon the current model.

They are miffed because in order to be relevant to consumers they have to do a lot of work and can't just continue to wrap a few new features around their aging products in order to be used at all.... much less compete with security offerings from Microsoft itself. They, like any such company, will have to evolve. They will selectively attack Micrsoft - first the new stack as being new and perhaps not bedded in as well as the aging stack - as if MS would not carry forward what it has learned over the last 25 years...! Then the'll whine about unfair competition, etc...

What they need to do is build and support great products - they like the rest of planet can't complain for years that MS software is not secure and then when MS invests billions and years of effort to build security into all products, complain about that. MS will continue to "bake" security into all products and the management systems that surround them. Criminals will continue to attack Microsoft and other software, and if Symantec wishes to remain relevant, they will evolve too.

#5 By 23071 (203.118.156.150) at 8/10/2006 4:39:50 AM
Symantec have a vested interest in making money off the flaws of others; and like what kevn84 said, they have the most to loose if Microsoft does actually pull this off and deliver a secure operating system has planned.

Secondly, I've refused to use Symantec products; they're as buggy as hell, unreliable and can drag any PC to a screaching hault through their bloated buggy interfaces, poorly tested updates and rushed product releases so that they can boast who delivered the anti-virus first.

lketchum put it correct, large amounts are being re-written, but what he has not addressed is this; the new Microsoft development model; there are now more autonomous groups that are working independently on different parts; unlike previous builds Symantec and others could get to see the 'progress' - parts are being developed seperately, then once 'complete', then merged back into the tree; so parts that they claim to be 'security issues are parts that *could* be getting replaced, but since the code isn't read yet, it hasn't been merged into the tree.

Oh, and considering that there are still another 3 RC1's PLUS the official RC1 hasn't been released, one would be right to assume that RC's donot equal, "no more development" - RC's MEAN feature complete, no more features will be added, everything from now on will be purely security and bug fixes.

#6 By 8556 (12.217.111.92) at 8/10/2006 9:12:16 AM
Well written kaiwai.

Any company that for the last three years has released Internet Security, aka Norton, that is so weak that virus's can turn it off, or be considered safe, has little credibility in nit pciking a beta OS. Maybe Symantec can learn how to make their anti-virus more solid through their work with Vista. For now, shut up Symantec and git-r-done.

This post was edited by bobsireno on Thursday, August 10, 2006 at 09:13.

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