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  The End to MSN Messenger
Time: 15:52 EST/20:52 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein

A few months ago all the members of the MSN Messenger team were shut into a room (lured there by cookies and free frappaccinos) to hear the announcement. "MSN Messenger had a good run. It's time for change. Then next time our users upgrade, it will be to Windows Live Messenger"

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#1 By 665 (198.51.49.2) at 11/1/2005 6:09:25 PM
Ah, so now we have Windows Messenger, MSN Messenger, and soon that will be replaced with Windows Live Messenger. Plus there Microsoft Messenger for OS X. Seriously, they need to do a better job with branding. Explaining the difference between Windows Messenger and Windows Live Messenger is going to be fun.

/paraphrased from a story that got deleted...

#2 By 37 (207.118.173.23) at 11/1/2005 6:27:36 PM
probably going to drop windows messenger too...Vista will prolly have Windows Live Messenger.

#3 By 665 (198.51.49.2) at 11/1/2005 7:01:07 PM
Brian, have you heard something, or are you just guessing? It would make sense for a lot of reasons to drop Windows Messenger but I haven't heard anyone say they're doing that...

#4 By 1401 (65.255.137.20) at 11/1/2005 7:22:57 PM
I'll call Bill Gates and ask him...

#5 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 11/1/2005 10:05:36 PM
#4,

i'd be willing to put money on the fact that neither gates nor balmer would have even the faintest idea about its inclusion in vista.


#6 By 12071 (203.26.206.129) at 11/1/2005 10:05:46 PM
#1 "Windows Messenger and Windows Live Messenger is going to be fun. "
Hehehe... obviously one is "Live" whereas the other is not :)

Is this a move away from MSN branding or towards more Windows branding? i.e. Will we have a move from MSN Explorer -> Windows Live Explorer?

#7 By 61 (71.251.77.77) at 11/2/2005 9:33:32 AM
I hope they keep Windows Messenger, be it download or something else. I simply don't like MSN Messenger, it's too flashy, too much junk piled in there.

I missed the old days of MSN Messenger when Microsoft and AOL were playing cat and mouse games for connectivity to the AOL network. That version of MSN Messenger was great. Very simple.

#8 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 11/2/2005 11:04:40 AM
Personally, I like Yahoo IM better, primarily because of the emoticons (sigh... never thought I'd be one of THOSE people, but the Yahoo ones in particular are quite useful, as well as playful... though I also kind of miss the days of "old-style" emoticons, especially Dave Barry's: http://www.lovedungeon.net/humor/dave/emoticons.html). (Lovedungeon.net??? That's Google's first result???) Another lovely thing about Yahoo is that the messages are in-line with the sender's handle, rather than on a separate line as in MSN--a much better use of screen space. MSN Messenger has come a long ways, though, and the Plus! add-on is nifty (off-line messages is a function I just can't figure out why they haven't added yet into the main program...).

As for Windows Messenger, maybe this is being replaced by Windows Live Messenger and Office Communicator? I thought it was mainly being kept alive until Communicator arrived, and that its overlap with MSN Messenger was just a byproduct of it being released as part of XP.

And regarding MSN vs. "Windows Live" branding--I think the idea here might be that Windows has more of a brand presence than MSN, as well as an association with higher-level functionality than what MSN provides. People might scoff at the idea of an "MSN Office" for example, but perhaps it would receive a better response as "Windows Live Office."

#9 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 11/2/2005 11:53:58 AM
Todd, at an MVP Summit they mentioned a goal to simply messengers and eventually offer a single branding. That is all I heard so far.

#10 By 17996 (66.188.88.180) at 11/3/2005 3:25:41 PM
I highly doubt that Windows Messenger will survive. It isn't included in current builds of Vista. Looks like MS finally got the idea that so many messenger products (Windows, MSN, and Office) is confusing and not beneficial to anyone.

That said, I hope they don't bundle WLM with Vista. Or if they do, it be a "stripped down" version without any of the clutter (winks, nudges, games, skins).

#11 By 61 (71.251.77.77) at 11/3/2005 10:18:01 PM
Patriot, that's what Windows Messenger is.

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