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  Microsoft's New File System Still A Long Ways Off
Time: 10:43 EST/15:43 GMT | News Source: The Mac Observer | Posted By: Brian Kvalheim

Microsoft, is a bit red-faced these days; not only will PC users have to wait longer for the already long-awaited Longhorn, it now seems that finding files and folders fast with a new and promised file system, WinFS, won't find its way to users for a few more years yet. A CNet News article reported that a Microsoft exec has pretty much killed any hopes of seeing a new file system from Microsoft anytime soon. More specifically, the article quoted Windows Server Chief Bob Muglia as having said "WinFS in not in the Longhorn client. It is also not in Longhorn Server." So, when will the general public see WinFS? Try sometime past 2010. CNet article said that, "WinFS may not debut in the operating system until the next decade, when the version of Windows beyond Longhorn, code-named Blackcomb, is slated to ship. Mr. Muglia explains that, 'This isn't a relational database. This is a brand-new data model, and it satisfies a whole class of applications that frankly have been unsatisfied from a data model perspective since the beginning of history. We've been working on things like this for a long time.'"

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#1 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 12/29/2004 2:09:23 PM
what's hidden between the lines is the notion that Microsoft did not want to appear to be slacking when Apple announced advanced file system features in its new OS, Tiger, and it took a 'me too' position instead of one where it appeared to be leading OS innovation.

Very funny... amazing how Apple fans automatically think that any and every tech idea originated at Apple. MS has had plans for this for years, long before OS X existed. Of course, this also doesn't speak well of MS, as they haven't been able to deliver. Nonetheless, this has nothing to do with the "advanced file system features" in Tiger.

But, I agree with this (except that it still sounds like we'll see the Longhorn client in 2006): By pushing off Longhorn to 2007, and WinFS even further, Microsoft could lose valuable customers to its rivals. Apple, Unix vendors such as Sun and HP, and Linux vendors such as IBM, are all actively working on solutions that might entice current Microsoft customers away from the fold. With Linux biting at its heels, Microsoft can't afford to let too much time pass.

#2 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/29/2004 2:31:19 PM
Well bluvg...i know you agree with it being BAD for MS to push off longhorn, etc. but:

1. Microsoft NEVER promised their new file system by a certain date or on a certain platform
2. I don't want anything from Microsoft as my main OS unless it's ready to go and has the bugs worked out. I would rather wait then be rushed.
3. Microsoft should never have even mentioned WinFS until they had things under control.

#3 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 12/29/2004 3:12:46 PM
Maybe they never promised that they'd deliver it with Longhorn, but it was at the least strongly implied. It was talked about constantly (both by MS and the media), and the Longhorn demos--which are still posted--always show at the beginning how much of the demo would focus on Avalon, how much on Indigo, and how much on WinFS. The "three pillars" of Longhorn are now only two, apparently... and those aren't even exclusive to Longhorn anymore. So I think many people have a legitimate question in, "Why do we want Longhorn, again?" Microsoft needs to articulate this clearly. The WinFS delay is enough egg in their face already. You're right--they should never have mentioned it this early.

I'm not suggesting that they rush the product out the door, full of bugs. At the same time, they have to realize that the longer they take to deliver, the more they strengthen the hand of their competition and the further they fuel the ubiquitous media criticism.

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