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| Time: 09:12 EST/14:12 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Brian Kvalheim | ||
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‘Cut the flab, get fit’ - Although it reads more like the snippet pasted on your gymnasium door, CTOs are pushing technology through rigorous exercise routines of their own. Only in this case, Microsoft seems to be the primary weight ‘loser’. Speaking to CXOtoday, Joe Paul Mampilly, superintendent – IT, Central Excise, Cochin, said, “We have migrated our entire Microsoft based network to Linux based thin clients. Different sections across departments are now using Red Hat, both at the desktop and server level.” | ||
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| #1 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 6/10/2004 10:04:53 AM |
| Its a shame to see a company get so strapped for cash that they cant even provide a decent computing environment for its employees. Someone call OSHA on this company. |
| #2 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/10/2004 10:10:58 AM |
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#2 I'm not sure OSHA could do anything (even if an OS was valid cause). I think they are in India.
#3 Reading the article it sounds like they've already made the switch and are experiencing fewer support calls now than before the migration. |
| #3 By 20 (24.173.210.58) at 6/10/2004 10:32:27 AM |
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When I first started in IT, I was a helpdesk monkey and it seemed like all our calls fit into the same types of categories:
(in no particular order) - hardware crapped out - I deleted a (file|email) and hosed myself, can you undelete? - I can't log in (idiot forgot his password) This was a couple years ago before the whole email/virus onslaught came, so I suppose perhaps that could account for some of the decrease in support calls (if that is indeed the truth which I seriously doubt). Linux is simply lucky because no one uses it, so no one bothers to write viruses for it. Linux is filled, like every OS, with bugs, holes, vulnerabilities, etc. In fact, it seems on average that Linux tops SecurityFocus' BugTraq with vulnerabilities. It's usually Linux's 30+ to Win2K3's 2-3. If people started using it more, you'd see that Linux is about as good as Windows 98 as far as security goes. But as far as the majority of support calls, those top ones that I usually experienced would not be solved by Linux or any other OS. |
| #4 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/10/2004 10:36:33 AM |
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#5 take a look at this article and post again.
http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7324 |
| #5 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 6/10/2004 10:54:41 AM |
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Another goofy pro Linux article. First of all, it turns out this is from some tiny burb in India. Second, this guy obviously hasn't heard of antivirus software. We use it on the e-mail servers, on the rest of our servers, and on all workstations whether they are in the office or at home (you can't VPN in without first meeting certain security levels - up to date antivirus software being one of them). Third, apparently the last time they did a "tech refresh" was with Windows 95 - no wonder they think Linux is tops!
All that aside, what government entity has an average employee turn over of one year and thinks that they are doing anything right? The last thing this outfit needs to do is a tech refresh of their IT resources. They need to determine why they have an outrageous turnover and why when they hire an employee it takes 1/5 of that employees average tenure to get them trained to do their job! Yeah, will use Linux - - that will fix it!!! lol Next . . . |
| #6 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/10/2004 11:43:42 AM |
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#11 Linux is actually quite nice. It takes a bit of an adjustment to get used to it (unless you are familiar with Unix). But with the growth of the Linux distros it's getting harder and harder to recommend a full blown Linux distro for desktop use.
#12 The problem is that most desktop users are going to want something that feels familiar. KDE and Gnome meet that desire rather well. I've tried a few of the other desktops on Linux and while some of them have their nice points, they aren't really geared to Joe and Jane Homeuser. #13 I'm not sure that the kernel is the full source of the problem with the memory requirements in the latest distros to be released. As far as this article is concerned. I have a feeling that they have probably not needed to use to much end user training for this environment. They were running Windows 95. A leap from Win95 to Linux isn't that difficult for user to work with. |
| #7 By 6859 (206.156.242.36) at 6/10/2004 12:38:57 PM |
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“We have migrated our entire Microsoft based network to Linux based thin clients. Different sections across departments are now using Red Hat, both at the desktop and server level, registering a significant cost saving.”
Another fool that falls into the argument that upfront costs are the only costs. As others have said "Linux is free as long as your time is worthless." Very true. Costs of training, conversion of print queues, pray to Vishnu that your hardware has a driver, etc. All that is time, and time = money. I wonder how much money/time was wasted with conversion to RHEL? I wonder how long it will take for them to decide to change back? |
| #8 By 6859 (206.156.242.36) at 6/10/2004 1:56:13 PM |
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Re: icing on the cake.
Quite true. It appears then that Linux is a box of Bisquick from the '70s by comparison to Windows, which would be a freshly made pastry. |
| #9 By 6859 (206.156.242.36) at 6/10/2004 2:52:45 PM |
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msucks,
TCO is a nebulous thing, practically impossible to tag down to a single formula. Plus, having read that article I can tell you that it's about as biased as it gets. Nothing new, just the same old rhetoric. TCO is lower is Linux provided your training time, conversion time, reinstallation time, and all the other tasks assigned to you for the conversion don't count. Gibberish garbage from the OSS movement. Nothing to see there, folks. Move along. |
| #10 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/10/2004 3:05:58 PM |
| Funny... noticing how much more posting is going on now that the contest has started (it was really dismal there for awhile) just emphasizes the fact that people work for material incentive. If the Open Source community wants to rule the roost on the desktop, server, office suite, etc., it's going to require some reorganization and rethinking--as this article summarizes pointedly. |
| #11 By 7797 (63.76.44.203) at 6/10/2004 3:21:43 PM |
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"6 million lines of code and growing by about a million lines per year."
So what? This spans from the smallest embedded device to the largest supercomputer cluster. Not only that the kernel also contains support for more and more different hardware etc. Of course its getting bigger. But of the 6 million lines what an individual or company compiles into their kernel or distro is a small slice of the whole pie. How many lines does the windows kernel have? Oh wait i forgot. You can't tell us because its a big secret. LOL |
| #12 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 6/10/2004 3:36:30 PM |
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#10 - Ok - I'll byte! I am a racist.
Now, back to the article. The so-called CTO of a government tax entity in the harbor town of Cochin, India (pop. 512.000) hasn't done anything Microsoft since Windows 95 - 9 years ago. Then he sticks his government entity with OSS crap from workstation to server. Meanwhile, personnel turnover is an astonomical one year and it only takes two months or 1/5 of that time to get personnel trained enough to be of any value whatsoever. Oh yeah, the "icing on the cake" this is all being done at tax payer expense - figures! lol Is the above something that the OSS community is touting as something they want to be associated with? You better stick to that tried and true article, published for over a year in the tech press ad nasuem, about those dummies in Munich doing much the same thing. How many years is it taking them to do a port from Windows to OSS. Last time the article was published it was two years and counting. lol Hey, Activwin, I know you are not posting these articles for entertainment value, but they are nearly as hilarious as their pitiful defenders. Keep it up. I need a laugh now and then! |
| #13 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 6/10/2004 8:38:11 PM |
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#27 "You can save money if you use a distro that is free.
That rules out RedHat and SUSE and several other distros." No it doesn't, both RedHat and SUSE are free, this has been shown many times, I can even cut and paste it for you again if you've already forgotten.... try some new FUD for once! #41 "XUL, has anybody taken it up" Yes, Microsoft took it up and are busy making it proprietary and "innovative" and of course giving it a new name, XAML =) And it's not "a version of XML", read up about it here http://www.xulplanet.com/ . |
| #14 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 6/10/2004 8:56:15 PM |
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#51 "No they aren't. The distros both include proprietary programs that are not free."
But you can get all the non-proprietary components for free, so I'm not lying FUD boy, and you can get all the patches and updates for free too FUD boy. The same holds true for every other distribution of Linux that includes proprietary components. |
| #15 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 6/10/2004 9:27:21 PM |
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| #18 By 7797 (64.244.109.161) at 6/10/2004 10:11:10 PM |
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"That rules out RedHat and SUSE and several other distros."
Well thats strange. I downloaded the suse boot ISO (not the live disk) for version 9.1 right off their ftp the other day. booted from it, typed Linux install="http://some.mirror.com/suse/i386/9.1" .. and the next thing i know it downloaded and installed itself right off the net .. for free. Crazy hackers who dared to hack into suse's sites and destroy their business like that |
| #19 By 7797 (64.244.109.161) at 6/10/2004 10:14:40 PM |
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"Schwartz went on to say that Red Hat's price increases and proprietary extensions..."
Hahaha.. you're trying to use a quote by this clown to show us that RHEL is proprietary? Jeez. you really gotta try harder than that Parkker. |
| #20 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 6/11/2004 12:44:26 AM |
| #60 Repeat after me: I didn't say XAML was a proprietary extension of xml, learn to read! I was talking about XUL, that it has been taken up, in the form of XAML in Microsoft's case. |
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