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Microsoft, The New IBM | |
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| Time: 10:46 EST/15:46 GMT | News Source: CRN | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Something interesting happened on the road to and from software dominance. Microsoft, which always delighted in displacing the old farts of technology, has become an old fart itself. Yes, ladies and gents, meet Microsoft: the new IBM. What once seemed a hungry, always-working-the-angles product powerhouse now seems increasingly set in its ways and downright stodgy. | ||
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| #1 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/7/2004 11:06:09 AM |
| I blame the DOJ. Once IBM won their battle with the DOJ, they started to innovate again. |
| #2 By 2332 (66.228.91.12) at 6/7/2004 11:16:07 AM |
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Yawn... for a company that is "set in its ways and downright stodgy", I find it amazing they have produced a ground breaking software development platform (.NET), have turned on a dime regarding security (Win2k3, XP SP2), and have started showing off what will be a revolutionary change in the way we use our computers (Longhorn).
If that's what a stodgy company does, then horay for stodgy. |
| #3 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/7/2004 12:04:58 PM |
| RMD - Agreed. Microsoft is creating better software today than 5 years ago. |
| #4 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/7/2004 12:18:57 PM |
| mssucks - Most of the software produced today (and on the market) is not innovative. This is not true only of Microsoft, but Linux and Mac as well. |
| #5 By 2332 (66.228.91.12) at 6/7/2004 3:03:27 PM |
| #13 - Most of those protocols were first developed by private companies (or individuals) and then submitted a standards when they became widely adopted. |
| #6 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/7/2004 3:05:54 PM |
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As far as growth, maybe that's why MS was thinking about the following merger:
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2004/06/07/daily3.html |
| #7 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/7/2004 3:18:03 PM |
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#12
We haven't really seen alot of innovations out of MS either. From a breakthrough point of view the past several years have been fairly stagnant. Alot of minor changes, but nothing to completely revolutionize computing. As I understand it .Net isn't exactly original either. "Name one innovative thing open source has done that has some significance." the first spell checker, DNS, Web servers, Lockless version management (CVS).... Can you name a major innovation from MS? This post was edited by happyguy on Monday, June 07, 2004 at 15:40. |
| #8 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/7/2004 3:59:09 PM |
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All we do is innovate. For example in the chip market we make things smaller. Open source and MS has not really invented anything in the past 5 years.
Therefore, the real question is who has done the best innovation. I say MS not open source. BTW, is government sponsered research considered "open source"? |
| #9 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/7/2004 4:01:50 PM |
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Microsoft is to software what Honda is to automobiles.
Honda doesn't innovate either, they take ideas and make them better. Sort of like that BASF commercial, right? Look at the "innovations" happy guy talks about. spell checking, DNS, web servers, version management. Each one of these, maybe Microsoft didn't invent, but they've certainly improved upon and made them available to a wide audience. Although version management doesn't come out until next year. :( |
| #10 By 20 (24.173.210.58) at 6/7/2004 4:43:08 PM |
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Oops! I almost tripped over the bar to be a tech journalist these days. It's so low to the ground, someone could get hurt!
Ok, here's your test for instant acceptance for a position as a tech journalist: a.) Write a story about how great Linux is b.) Write a story about how Microsoft will go out of business Real Soon Now c.) Write a story about how Apple is almost a giant again and by next year they should be outpacing Microsoft in everything they do. Ok, repeat monthly and simply change the days + 30 days and you're all set! Do this for the next 10-15 years and then retire. What an easy job! |
| #11 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/7/2004 5:17:23 PM |
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#20 you are very funny.
IMHO, Linux is just a less powerful copy of unix, who had their best days during the internet boom years. I still think Linux has gotten better over the years and with the help of IBM, Sun( and others will make a run at MS. But this will only make MS better. |
| #12 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/7/2004 5:37:41 PM |
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Good point stubear. That's the point I was getting at when I asked the following question back in 17:
"BTW, is government sponsered research considered "open source"? " I will answer it. NO |
| #13 By 20 (24.173.210.58) at 6/7/2004 5:43:55 PM |
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Let's see, MS was pivtal in developing SOAP and Web Services. While the basic concepts of .NET aren't new (btw, managed code, garbage collection, JIT were not Java inventions either -- Gosling is no genius), .NET is full of various innovations. And yes, pulling together a bunch of disperate technologies into a cohesive and homogenous environment IS innovation.
Also, as I recall, CVS was merely an updating of RCS which was a commercial Unix product, not open sources. So I'd hardly call cvs "innovation". And you losers can quibble over who invented what first, but all that matters is who got it to mass market and sold more product. In that case, MS has innovated and invented tons of stuff. |
| #14 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/8/2004 7:35:31 AM |
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#40
"The essence of open source is the GPL which is the opposite of what Berners-Lee did." What kind of drugs are you on? There are plenty of open source licenses that do not use the GPL. "Rewriting history and claiming "open source" invented something when it didn't is disgusting. It is very sad to go looking into the history of "open source" and see all the stealing and cloning going on. The GPL and "open source" are all about thieving intellectual property and passing off the ideas as their own." Once again. What has Microsoft invented? As far as I can tell it looks like OSS has the edge here. |
| #15 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/8/2004 9:30:38 AM |
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#46
"And lest we forget that sub-pixel rendering of type was done on Apple and Linux machines before ClearType on Windows. OpenType was supported by every OS and Windows was late to that party too." "All these things were done on Windows FIRST and copied later. " What are you getting at? That sub pixel rendering was available on Windows before anyone else? Sub pixel rendering was in the Apple ][ in 1976. Hell, MS even stated that ClearType was an extension of TrueType (although they tried to claim credit for TrueType). TrueType came from Apple in 1989 and wasn't adopted by MS until 1992. Good point of the fast user switching. That certainly wouldn't have occured to me. |
| #16 By 12071 (203.217.20.58) at 6/8/2004 9:44:23 AM |
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#40 "The essence of open source is the GPL"
Are you EVER likely to get a clue and stop spreading FUD? Read #42, it has a nice link to what is and what is not Open Source. #46 I honestly can't see the point of arguing about all of these things, especially since some people cannot grasp the definition of "innovate" vs "invent" (as you mentioned earlier). And on the other hand there are those who wouldn't know what Open Source is even with a link directly to the definition! But I thought it was interesting that the list of items that you claim were done on Windows FIRST goes something like this: Fast User Switching - which is conceptually a graphical version of the UNIX 'su' command, or you can even click CTRL+ALT+(F1-F6) for text consoles and CTRL+ALT+(F7-F12) for graphical consoles if you don't want to use su. And given that you mentioned Apple, I believe Steve came out and admitted that Microsoft had beaten them to market, but that they are patenting the idea which is an extension of an earlier patent that they filed in 1995 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=ptxt&S1=512,021.APN.&OS=APN/512,021&RS=APN/512,021) ClearType - is a Microsoft implementation of subpixel rendering, nothing new, the Apple II family had used a very similar technique with the NTSC television system's color subcarrier two decades earlier. OpenType - was jointly created by Adobe and Microsoft. DHTML - was a marketing term invented by Netscape and Microsoft. Both companies created their own proprietary DOM implementations (layers for Netscape and document.all for Microsoft) which went into their v4.0 browsers. Netscape 4 was released in June 1997, IE 4 was released in October 1997. Yes Microsoft do innovate but they also use the word to death to not only describe everything they do but also to whinge how everyone is denying them the ability to continue to innovate (like they have with IE ever since getting majority market share). And if Microsoft is allowed to copy someone elses work and then call it innovation, then everyone else who has copied Microsoft is allowed to make the same claim! |
| #17 By 20 (24.173.210.58) at 6/8/2004 10:50:44 AM |
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Comparing FUS to 'su' or CTRL+ALT+F1-6... hahahaha that's awesome.
I mean, really, you can take any innovation back to caveman days. I mean, Xerox didn't invent the mouse, a caveman had a mouse and used it to paint on his cave wall, so hah! Don't be retarded. |
| #18 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/8/2004 12:53:58 PM |
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msucks in #20 wrote "btw, linux is not unix. Is a million times better. linux is getting NX technology to curtail virus spreads "
I just wanted to point out that this NX concept is in SP2 for Windows XP. NX basically isolates code from the data/stack space so you can't do buffer overflows. I also wanted to point out, that this NX concept has been in commercial Unix systems for years, I know at least this is the case with Sun. Someone mentioned they saw it first like on an old Burrough's system. I guess I think it's interesting that msucks is still back in 1997 advocacy world, not realizing that so much has changed. |
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