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  Sun tool targets Microsoft
Time: 00:00 EST/05:00 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Robert Stein

Sun Microsystems will show off a new, simplified Java development tool next month intended to steal programmers from rival Microsoft's camp. Executives from Sun said Wednesday that the tool will be geared toward developers who are proficient with the Java language but are not trained in the most advanced capabilities in the Java specifications. As previously reported, Sun officials have said this simpler Java tool will be displayed at the company's JavaOne conference in San Francisco next month, in part to garner feedback from Java developers.

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#1 By 14326 (216.75.223.70) at 5/23/2003 10:17:54 AM
A. right after Sun starts to make a profit from Java,
and it found guilty of abusing it's monopoly of
operating systems.

#2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 5/23/2003 10:30:01 AM
This is just another example of $un's lack of vision.

#3 By 14326 (216.75.223.70) at 5/23/2003 1:28:21 PM
Sun's vision is clear. Make it easier to develop in Java,
increase the number of Java programmers from 3 to 10 million,
and make some money from selling Java products.

The fact that thier vision is not original doesn't mean they don't
have one.


#4 By 16451 (65.19.16.72) at 5/23/2003 10:01:18 PM
If C# is so great then why is MS moving onto F#? And why are 13% of the programmers interviewed by Evans Data moving to Java?

This post was edited by RH7.3 on Friday, May 23, 2003 at 22:11.

#5 By 16451 (65.19.17.190) at 5/24/2003 12:49:57 AM
First let me correct an omission in my previous post. I meant to say 13% of the VB programmers.


Market researcher Evans Data said Tuesday that 52 percent of software developers surveyed use Visual Basic today, but that 43 percent of them plan to move to other languages, including Java and C#, a Java-like language developed by Microsoft. ... Thirty-nine percent of those developers who reported that they are decreasing their use of Visual Basic said they intend to program with C#, while 31 percent said they plan to move from Visual Basic to Java, according to the study.

0.43 * 0.31 = 0.13


This post was edited by RH7.3 on Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 00:53.

#6 By 16451 (65.19.17.190) at 5/24/2003 1:14:20 AM
>>> Since when is MS moving to F#?

I said "moving onto", not "moving to"


>>> I don't see MS shifting their internal development to it

I didn't say that either. However, according to Microsoft, a subset of problems exist that aren't optimally solved by an existing language--and that subset is made up of simple, yet subtle problems. One such case is that of function mapping to a data array. Since there are many cases in which MS has the need to do this given the type of software that they develop, and also given that MS is the entity that is developing F#, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they did use it at least to some extent.

Also, from MS's own research web site There are several niches for ML-like languages on the .NET platform. In particular, ML-like languages are excellent for writing compilers and any large tools that process tree-structured data terms. They are also excellent for general data and systems programming tasks, and for writing libraries where the data model is not designed to be particularly extensible by the user. So maybe MS will use F# internally afterall?

This post was edited by RH7.3 on Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 01:25.

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